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    Angry Help 2002 Rsvr Problem.

    Imagine you are racing down the road circa 140 all of a sudden the bike comes to a complete stop really fast, you are trying to get down the gearbox quick to stop losing it.
    Put the bike in neutral, engine is still running, you get off cannot find anything wrong you try to push the bike both wheels feel like they are stuck , try rocking back and forward can barely move it. Leave it for about two minutes then everything is ok again. Get on and drive away everything seems ok...

    This has happened 3 times in the last month; and has scared the shit out of me each time.

    Anyone help.... P.s. not even using the brakes when this happens....

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    Probably your rear brake adjustment has not enough play in it, the pads touch the disc and heat up causing the rear brake to come on, the hotter it gets the worse it gets, adjust your rear brake according to the required play and that will solve it

    Read this and follow it:-

    http://rsvzone.com/forums/showthread...rvice-bulletin
    Last edited by badger; November 19th, 2010 at 05:18 AM.

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    Thanks I think I know what the problem is. 0n the bulletin it says measure the difference between the top and at rest. Mine is at the top you cannot lift it up any further, therefore mine is at rest at the top you can not lift it up. I reckon the person before me has adjusted it when he had no wear left on the pads. I put new pads in it recently so there now is no play as the pads are thicker. does this make sense ?

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    it makes sense, you must adjust so you have some play, i have had this myself as well, it happens a lot, just adjust according to the bulletin and you are sorted

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    it definitely sounds like the rear brake, i had the same happen on an overtake!

    You should feel blessed that the rear brake works well enough to haul you down from those speeds, it was obviously bled correctly.
    50% of RSVs rear brakes don't work.

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    Yes I spent some time bleeding it, I use rear brake more than front probably 90/10 so I like a rear brake I can lock up.
    Better to lose the rear than the front, easier recovery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evilyoda View Post
    I use rear brake more than front probably 90/10 so I like a rear brake I can lock up.
    Better to lose the rear than the front, easier recovery.
    Seriously mate you want to kill doing that before it kills you, you are an accident looking for somewhere to happen, you can't pull up rapidly enough in an emergency situation using that ratio of rear to front brake.

    Think about it you have two 320mm discs on the front and 8 pistons with eight brake pads as opposed to two on the rear and a disc the size of a saucer.

    I don't know you or how you ride but i fear for your safety if that is truly how you approach your braking, you MUST get out of that habit and use the front brake for 90% and the rear brake to steady you when needed.

    Believe me i know what i am talking about

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    So Do I I have been riding accident free for 20 plus years including a bit of road racing way back.....

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    I agree with Badger, I never go anywhere near the rear brake in the dry and only use very slightly when the roads are wet to balance the bike. For my 2 cents (and thats what these Forum sites are all about) the front brakes on the RSV are superb with loads of feel and control. Enjoy your riding how you see fit but if I were you (which I'm not) try doing some emergency stops, in the dry, on a quite road from 60 to 0 using first your 90% rear 10% front ratio then try using 100% front braking. You should be amazed at the difference in your stopping distances and the control you have. Don't forget to make sure your tyres are nice and warm though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evilyoda View Post
    So Do I I have been riding accident free for 20 plus years including a bit of road racing way back.....
    Fella, you've road raced only using the front brakes 10% compared to the rear? Utter bollocks.....

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    With Badger and the boyz. Not only will it take you 2 years to stop with only 10% front brake but it flies in the face of the whole design of bike brakes. They put all the braking power at the front for a reason, because that's is where all the grip is when your decellerating.

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    I can't say I have ever used the back brake on mine. Years ago I had a 916 Ducati and I had a habit if dragging the back brake leaver with my foot (poor set up). I did the Keith Code school where they used to tell you not to use the back brake at all unless in the wet

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    stick with badgers advice, you'll live longer!

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    Not trying to be a smart arse here mate just concerned, but if you have been riding for 20 years and not had an accident i can't argue with that, i also don't doubt you did a bit of road racing, what i will say though is that i know you were never near the front of the field, well maybe the first corner where you shot past them all standing on yer rear brake

    If ya fancy trying a wee competition i will let you use both brakes lets say 90% rear and 10% front and i will only use one brake 100%, anybody wanna bet on the outcome

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    I wouldn't

    The brakes on the front of an Ape are really good,the back is merely adequate.

    If you are racing or riding hard there will be minimal weight on the back wheel anyway under braking so it's irrelevent how good the rear brake is as the tyre will probably be off the ground due to weight transference.

    Yoda,just had a thought,now don't take this the wrong way..................but are you American by any chance,or come to Ape ownership via a Hardly Davison?

    Just wondering as they seem to forget about using their hands to operate a front brake.

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    them brakes things are for puffs use me shoes for stopping warms me tootsies up a treat on fast roads done this since ridin me push bike worked then still does now !!!

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    yeah, i thought the whole idea of bikes was to ride 'em fast.
    Brakes. They only slow you down, duh!

    If you wanna slow down you need to dangle your leg into the air flow setting up for a corner, Rossi style, then use knee slider friction balanced with throttle to control corner speed.

    That way 'cos i'm full throttle mid corner when i lift my knee slider up reducing friction i just rip to exit and get my maximum speed for the straight.

    If fact if you remove the brakes you can save a load of weight on unnecessary safety equipment.

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    Hmmm, coating a bloke off as he said he doesn't use his front brake much?

    The Mille has great engine braking. If I'm riding smoothly and there isn't much traffic about I'd say I hardly use either front or back brake, mostly back to slow down gently for traffic lights and stop on an incline. If I'm hammering it then I'll use the front, obviously, but it still surprises me how little I use it compared to other bikes I've had. We're not all road racers riding at 110% and I think you're being a little unfair on the bloke. Is this the zone still?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by apemunky View Post
    yeah, i thought the whole idea of bikes was to ride 'em fast.
    Brakes. They only slow you down, duh!
    Not actually as crazy as it sounds. I did the California Superbike School back in 1996. One of the tests they get you to do is drive round the track in top gear and lap as fast as you can without changing gear or using the brakes while they time your laps. At the end of the day they give you all your lap times, then you realise that you only went a little faster using all the gears and brakes.

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    Think you miss the point. It's not how much you use your brakes it's the percentage you use when you do.

    No matter how you dress it up it's impossible to ride safely with only 10% front, 90% rear brake use on the road or track in general.
    The california superbike exercise is to teach smoothness and give you only one thing to think about ie, your speed and throttle control and not use the brakes at all. Nothing to do with the percentage of each.

    Badger was merely point out the safety issue of riding in general with so high a percentage of rear brake as were most others. A few are taking the piss but that's up to them.

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