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    Good point about the approval

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    i still don't get it. how a shorter lever can make it easier to brake if shorter in physics means that you need more power to apply to get the same force on the other end of the lever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theruck View Post
    i still don't get it. how a shorter lever can make it easier to brake if shorter in physics means that you need more power to apply to get the same force on the other end of the lever.
    I fully accept what you're getting at...leverage wise.

    However, as most use just 2-3 fingers (ooo--errr missus!) on the front brake, the extra length of the standard lever is unnecessary.
    You'll get all the braking performance you need with the shorty...but the real gain imho is when you take a grab at the lever, it's easier, and perhaps quicker to get a gloved hand over it...I can't prove it, but it deffo feels better. But that's just my opinion.

    The clutch though....after several weeks with the shorties...my left hand grip improved no end...fucking hard work for the first few days...
    You'd be amazed at how easy I find a standard length clutch lever these days...

    I have CRG shorties, and I love 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theruck View Post
    i still don't get it. how a shorter lever can make it easier to brake if shorter in physics means that you need more power to apply to get the same force on the other end of the lever.
    It's more about feel chap, as in the longer the lever is the less input force needed to apply but the less information translated back to the user - does that make sense?
    And on a plus note ......they're also a lot better in a fall - "most" of the time the lever comes away with minimal damage (well in my experience anyways )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deacs View Post
    It's more about feel chap, as in the longer the lever is the less input force needed to apply but the less information translated back to the user - does that make sense?
    And on a plus note ......they're also a lot better in a fall - "most" of the time the lever comes away with minimal damage (well in my experience anyways )
    that's how i see them especially the (they dont break as easy part)

    i had shorties on my hayabusa and quite liked them.
    i got standard pazzo copies on the rsv as i just prefer standard length and the clutch is a heavy sod in town so made sense and the quality for 25 was amazing .

    if your going on track its short ones all the way

    i cant understand why anyone would pay 120 for something that can be got for 25 ? as they still break just the same if your luck is out

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    Quote Originally Posted by lonner View Post
    i cant understand why anyone would pay 120 for something that can be got for 25 ?
    Peace of mind and not supporting copyright theft?

    Seriously, at the end of the day, we buy the items we're comforable with, either on a financial, safety or ethical basis.
    Last edited by Tifa; January 4th, 2012 at 08:49 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifa View Post
    Peace of mind and not supporting copyright theft?

    Seriously, at the end of the day, we buy the items we're comforable with, either on a financial, safety or ethical basis.

    very true but the stuff is all made in china whoever mkt's it so were fooked either way as nowt is made here to make me buy British.

    sad really

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    the problem is not the china itself. dont you get it? everybody knows everything is made in china. AGV helmets are made in china will you compare them to some Tesco branded helmet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by theruck View Post
    the problem is not the china itself.
    Yes it is...the Chinese are thieves.
    They have stolen intelectual rights, and copyrights since the beginning of time.
    We put up with it, because some think they are getting a bargain.
    The irony is, that we ALL pay over the longer term with employment and development losses.

    The Chinese have almost gone as far as they can go manufacturing wise, as this is governed by global demand.
    Their next step in global expansion will be in development...i.e. where they actually design AND manufacture a product, rather than just rip-off copies as they do now....

    When some other country starts ripping off their products, I bet we'll see a change of attitude.

    Personally, I can't wait...but until then, mostly from a manufacturing point of view, they're just a bunch of thieving bastards, no better than your avarage motorcycle thief.

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    are you still talking about cheap short levers? looks like i have woken up a demon in you
    Last edited by theruck; January 5th, 2012 at 04:47 AM.

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    I dont recall brembo making shorties? ie, you dont see them on the race track in MotoGP and WSB BSB
    I prefer the big flat bladed Brembos, that pivot up..and of course a bigger ratio master cyclinder attached..now that makes a huge difference.
    Shortes just look weird to me, maybe better on nekid / custom machines or if clearance around fairing etc is tight.

    For the price of a pair of decent shorties you could buy a S/H brembo radial brake or clutch pump..money better spent IMO
    ck
    Last edited by Carbon Kid; January 5th, 2012 at 05:32 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tifa View Post
    Yes it is...the Chinese are thieves.
    They have stolen intelectual rights, and copyrights since the beginning of time.
    We put up with it, because some think they are getting a bargain.
    The irony is, that we ALL pay over the longer term with employment and development losses.

    The Chinese have almost gone as far as they can go manufacturing wise, as this is governed by global demand.
    Their next step in global expansion will be in development...i.e. where they actually design AND manufacture a product, rather than just rip-off copies as they do now....

    When some other country starts ripping off their products, I bet we'll see a change of attitude.

    Personally, I can't wait...but until then, mostly from a manufacturing point of view, they're just a bunch of thieving bastards, no better than your avarage motorcycle thief.
    I agree with you on all points there, however what you haven't mentioned is the fact that (and I'm talking from a UK point of view) our governments have allowed this ethos of "offshoring" manufacturing (and services) to cut costs (the irony here is that the cost cuts seldom benefit the end user - companies reduce their manufacturing costs but continue to charge at an inflated rate to increase their bottom line).

    The "offshoring" ethos is directly imported from US management where they are in charge of global companies and continue to strive in cutting costs (usually within europe, I notice they tend to leave their domestic manufacturing in place (I'm generalising here as there are those companies that cut over there as well), guess its that whole story of not shitting on your own doorstep!!!).

    The second factor is as I touched on before, the companies reduce this manufacturing cost but then label it and charge an inflated rate for it - and then bitch and moan when "that" someone they use to make it then produces it for general consumption at a far lower cost (yes I know approvals etc cost money and protection is "sometimes" but seldom given (until a drawn out litigation ensues and "they" are forced to compensate).

    If we (the UK I'm talking about remember) want to reduce the shear number of imports here we need to tariff the goods appropriately (i.e. those companies that want to "offshore" they must be taxed appropriately) so as to make it more appealing for domestic manufacturing to once again resume!!

    Quote Originally Posted by theruck View Post
    are you still talking about cheap short levers? looks like i have woken up a demon in you
    LOL, yes matey but probably more about the moral of buying these cheap levers to our (all our countries that offshore) detriment

    theres a demon in all of us

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    good post deacs and Mr Dyson is a prime example of this type of greed as that's what it ultimately is after all

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