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    3 Things- SPRAG & BATTERY & STARTING

    just need to understand

    been looking at multiple threads and wondering the above

    alot of mixed reviews on which battery to go for? can someone tell me which please

    currently my bike starts within 3 seconds with cold start lever all the way open and warms up nicely. alot of people have said 'the proper way of starting' what is this?

    and what is a sprag? what does it stand for

    thanks for the help.

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    Upgrade to a YTX14BS or similar and keep it on an Optimate.
    You're starting it just fine - just remember: DON'T TOUCH THE THROTTLE!
    The sprag clutch is a one-way clutch on the back of the flywheel that allows the starter to work through a series of reduction gears (because a normal starter wouldn't be able to turn that big old V-twin) and avoids kickback when starting. You're looking at around 170 in parts and two or three hours for a competent home mechanic to fix it. If you start it properly it should be fine - but if it fails to start, do not keep trying the button as that is how sprags get mashed.

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    As above...but I got a sprag clutch replaced at a dealer for 80 on my last bike....if it's clicking, whirring or crunching when starting...start to get ready for an expensive fix whatever! The key is to keeping the battery charged & not to be too hamfisted with the starting...seriously I once witnessed a dealer trying to start a brand new Tuono as if he was expecting it to explode at any second..gingerly wasn't the word!!

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    Your choice of battery type is irrelevant, Gel or acid filled, not really the issue here. (I'm sure some will disagree and start spouting about CCA's)

    The key is to how you start it and how you maintain your battery.

    If you ride at weekends only and have no battery conditioner then your gonna fook your sprag up eventually.

    As soon as you suspect the battery is sluggish, bin it and replace it pronto.

    I just ordered a Numax one off Ebay for 36 delivered, can't beat that for value.

    Alternatively you can pay more money but what you have to remember is my 36 battery has 12 months warranty just the same as the 75 battery.

    Link for battery just in case anyone needs one - Numax YTX14 BS Battery
    Last edited by amb67; January 6th, 2009 at 12:39 PM.

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    AMB that's all true however please don't disregard other peoples advice and opinions on this forum. We all have a say here and the advice given helps us all. My post stating that a Westco battery was perhaps a better option than the cheap Numax battery was not a dig at you it was merely highlighting another battery option and stating in my view why in fact it was a better option.

    This is not a dig at you fella, i'm just stating that we are all here to help each other with advice through discussion
    Last edited by LEGS; January 6th, 2009 at 11:52 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amb67 View Post
    my 36 battery has 12 months warranty just the same as the 75 battery.
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    It's better not to have to use the warranty at all - I'd rather have a more expensive one that starts every time and doesn't put my sprag at risk. Buy cheap: Buy twice!
    (Sorry, Alan we're not really all getting at you today).

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    Yes we are !!


    Quote Originally Posted by A303 View Post
    (Sorry, Alan we're not really all getting at you today).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rschris View Post

    and what is a sprag? what does it stand for
    S - starting
    P - prevention
    R - rotating
    A - angst
    G - generator


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    Sprag - shitty part ruined a gain

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    Quote Originally Posted by LEGS View Post
    AMB that's all true however please don't disregard other peoples advice and opinions on this forum. We all have a say here and the advice given helps us all. My post stating that a Westco battery was perhaps a better option than the cheap Numax battery was not a dig at you it was merely highlighting another battery option and stating in my view why in fact it was a better option.

    This is not a dig at you fella, i'm just stating that we are all here to help each other with advice through discussion
    I know Al pretty well hes a thick skinned guy, so dont worry.

    SPRAG

    stupid poxy rancid agricultural gears

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    how would you identify it going?

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    horrible mechanical crunching noises and a reluctance to start...sounds like someone threw a bucket of bolts into a tumble drier !!


    Quote Originally Posted by rschris View Post
    how would you identify it going?

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    I think that any one that posts advice on here from personal experience is a true gent for sharing.

    I don't take any of the posts personally guys, you'll not upset me. I am not a toys out of the pram kinda guy, very laid back, becomes agitated when bike fails to start though.

    I'll end with: To all that post, thank you, to all that just read, your welcome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kiwi_rsvr View Post
    horrible mechanical crunching noises and a reluctance to start...sounds like someone threw a bucket of bolts into a tumble drier !!
    so just the general sound of the bike in that case

    i wouldnt know the difference, hopefully griff can check all for me.

    starts fine to be honest, second loop of kick it starts within 2seconds and bumbles away quite happily which is good for me

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    Quote Originally Posted by amb67 View Post
    you'll not upset me. I am not a toys out of the pram kinda guy
    Hah, now there's a challenge!

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    Quote Originally Posted by A303 View Post
    Hah, now there's a challenge!
    I tell you what does upset me!!

    Going to the wine rack and finding that the kids have been helping themselves, not a problem I hear you say.

    Well it is when they are all under 12 years old.

    Little buggers.

    I can see 4 kids being up for sale on Ebay very soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amb67 View Post
    I tell you what does upset me!!

    Going to the wine rack and finding that the kids have been helping themselves, not a problem I hear you say.

    Well it is when they are all under 12 years old.

    Little buggers.

    I can see 4 kids being up for sale on Ebay very soon.
    Well Alan you know the standard proceedure - next time you catch them nicking your wine, force them to drink a whole bottle each - they'll never do it again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A303 View Post
    Well Alan you know the standard proceedure - next time you catch them nicking your wine, force them to drink a whole bottle each - they'll never do it again.
    In theory a good idea, but you can just imagine it!!

    Kids are at school and the teacher says 'Right I want you all to write a story about what you did at the weekend'.

    The story goes a little like this:

    We all sat down on Saturday evening with Dad and he forced us to drink a whole bottle of wine, we got so drunk......

    I'd have all the kids in school wanting to come round on a Saturday evening and all of the social workers in Kent queing up to take my kids away.

    I have a better idea, I'll pop a bottle, let it fester for a week in the shed and then offer them a drink. That should put them off for life. LOL

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    from cold

    full fast idle

    make sure the lights are off

    make sure its in neutral

    pull clutch in

    dont touch throttle

    press button


    off you go

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    or silly pathetic rediculous aprilia gizmo

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